
Quick mermay preview 83c
Remember back in CA:CW how Bucky reacted with surprise and horror when he realized that the guy under the Spider-Man mask was a kid?
Notice how Peter Quill didn’t react that way in the slightest? Didn’t even flinch from holding a gun on him?
I loved that. Heck, I don’t even know if it was intentional, but even if it wasn’t, it was such a neat little bit of characterization. Because Peter Quill grew up in a world where kids are combatants from the time they’re big enough to physically hold a gun. For him, it wouldn’t seem odd to discover that the person attacking him is only 16 or so. It certainly wouldn’t be a reason to go easy on him. No one went easy on him, after all.
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.
I’ve become very protective of Peter since GOTG2. He’s an abused kid who grew up with nothing, lost so much, and has to live out the rest of his life knowing he was essentially the product of a megalomaniac god’s creepy breeding program. Now he realises that Thanos has sacrificed Gamora in almost the exact same way his father sacrificed his mother? Of course he’s going to react like that! It wasn’t done out of malice, just pure in-the-moment rage for everything that’d been taken from him.
(And yeah, I doubt that the plan would have worked even if Peter hadn’t snapped. Mantis is strong but Thanos is nigh-on indestructible.)
My main issue here is that no one but Peter and Thanos are allowed to be sad about this. Like, I can understand Peter’s actions. What I can’t understand is Drax, who earlier this same movie blew the plan against Thanos because he wanted immediate revenge, not behaving similarly. What I can’t understand is Mantis, who demonstribly doesn’t just read emotions but feels them, not getting even slightly emotional when Thanos is apparently just so dang sad–like, never mind that she’s known Gamora for four years. What I understand least of all is Nebula, who for the first time on screen (thanks to @inbarfink for pointing this out) saw Gamora stand up to Thanos for her, figuring out what happened and then just dryly expositing about it.
And it comes down to this bullshit I already ranted about way back when I finished Star Trek: Deep Space Nine season 6, where only men who can claim some measure of “ownership” over women get to be sad when something bad happens to said women. Women don’t get close friends. They get parents and lovers and maybe folks who pine over them, and that’s it.
Peter’s rage in this movie is bad. But it’s not bad for the reasons everyone says it is.
Ah, see I agree with you to be honest. From a Doylist perspective (weee! I love using that word) everything about Gamora’s death is terrible writing. But from a Watsonian perspective re: Peter, his all-consuming rage makes perfect sense. (It just took terrible writing to get to that perfect sense.)
It suddenly occurred to me how they could have so easily fixed all this. Keep Peter’s meltdown secondary to the other goings-on and give the big moment of destruction to Nebula.
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.
I’ve become very protective of Peter since GOTG2. He’s an abused kid who grew up with nothing, lost so much, and has to live out the rest of his life knowing he was essentially the product of a megalomaniac god’s creepy breeding program. Now he realises that Thanos has sacrificed Gamora in almost the exact same way his father sacrificed his mother? Of course he’s going to react like that! It wasn’t done out of malice, just pure in-the-moment rage for everything that’d been taken from him.
(And yeah, I doubt that the plan would have worked even if Peter hadn’t snapped. Mantis is strong but Thanos is nigh-on indestructible.)
My main issue here is that no one but Peter and Thanos are allowed to be sad about this. Like, I can understand Peter’s actions. What I can’t understand is Drax, who earlier this same movie blew the plan against Thanos because he wanted immediate revenge, not behaving similarly. What I can’t understand is Mantis, who demonstribly doesn’t just read emotions but feels them, not getting even slightly emotional when Thanos is apparently just so dang sad–like, never mind that she’s known Gamora for four years. What I understand least of all is Nebula, who for the first time on screen (thanks to @inbarfink for pointing this out) saw Gamora stand up to Thanos for her, figuring out what happened and then just dryly expositing about it.
And it comes down to this bullshit I already ranted about way back when I finished Star Trek: Deep Space Nine season 6, where only men who can claim some measure of “ownership” over women get to be sad when something bad happens to said women. Women don’t get close friends. They get parents and lovers and maybe folks who pine over them, and that’s it.
Peter’s rage in this movie is bad. But it’s not bad for the reasons everyone says it is.
Ah, see I agree with you to be honest. From a Doylist perspective (weee! I love using that word) everything about Gamora’s death is terrible writing. But from a Watsonian perspective re: Peter, his all-consuming rage makes perfect sense. (It just took terrible writing to get to that perfect sense.)
I do think Peter Quill’s trauma tends to be a bit overlooked in fandom. When you realise how long the list of traumatic things is, and how many of those things are discomfortingly realistic I guess, it kind of… jumps out at you. (trigger warnings: child abuse , child murder and some discussion of rape. spoiler warnings: Infinity War.)
Y’know after Vol 2, there was a brief wave of people saying “God, Peter’s been through so much, it’s amazing he hasn’t completely snapped.” That one scene in Infinity War which people are calling him a villain or a man-child over? That was him snapping.
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.
I’ve become very protective of Peter since GOTG2. He’s an abused kid who grew up with nothing, lost so much, and has to live out the rest of his life knowing he was essentially the product of a megalomaniac god’s creepy breeding program. Now he realises that Thanos has sacrificed Gamora in almost the exact same way his father sacrificed his mother? Of course he’s going to react like that! It wasn’t done out of malice, just pure in-the-moment rage for everything that’d been taken from him.
(And yeah, I doubt that the plan would have worked even if Peter hadn’t snapped. Mantis is strong but Thanos is nigh-on indestructible.)
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.