
She boings
Ugh, all this “lol everyone who died is staying dead!” stuff from the Russo brothers is starting to piss me off. I have nothing against them personally I suppose, but…
In all honesty I’m gearing myself up for Gamora to be really thoroughly dead, not returning ever except in flashbacks etc. Then at least I’ll be less disappointed when GOTG3 rolls around either with her appearing just in flashbacks, or as a movie set post-IW. I am so disillusioned with the MCU right now, it’s unbelievable.
not to keep sounding like a Killmonger apologist but like… if T’Challa hadn’t killed him?? this would be such a great time to have a conveniently murderous cousin in the palace basement. “look alive and suit up, asshole. you’ve got anger issues and we’ve got approximately 7000 aliens in the backyard. get to work.” [Okoye yeets Killmonger out a window into the middle of the fight]
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.
I’ve become very protective of Peter since GOTG2. He’s an abused kid who grew up with nothing, lost so much, and has to live out the rest of his life knowing he was essentially the product of a megalomaniac god’s creepy breeding program. Now he realises that Thanos has sacrificed Gamora in almost the exact same way his father sacrificed his mother? Of course he’s going to react like that! It wasn’t done out of malice, just pure in-the-moment rage for everything that’d been taken from him.
(And yeah, I doubt that the plan would have worked even if Peter hadn’t snapped. Mantis is strong but Thanos is nigh-on indestructible.)
My main issue here is that no one but Peter and Thanos are allowed to be sad about this. Like, I can understand Peter’s actions. What I can’t understand is Drax, who earlier this same movie blew the plan against Thanos because he wanted immediate revenge, not behaving similarly. What I can’t understand is Mantis, who demonstribly doesn’t just read emotions but feels them, not getting even slightly emotional when Thanos is apparently just so dang sad–like, never mind that she’s known Gamora for four years. What I understand least of all is Nebula, who for the first time on screen (thanks to @inbarfink for pointing this out) saw Gamora stand up to Thanos for her, figuring out what happened and then just dryly expositing about it.
And it comes down to this bullshit I already ranted about way back when I finished Star Trek: Deep Space Nine season 6, where only men who can claim some measure of “ownership” over women get to be sad when something bad happens to said women. Women don’t get close friends. They get parents and lovers and maybe folks who pine over them, and that’s it.
Peter’s rage in this movie is bad. But it’s not bad for the reasons everyone says it is.
Ah, see I agree with you to be honest. From a Doylist perspective (weee! I love using that word) everything about Gamora’s death is terrible writing. But from a Watsonian perspective re: Peter, his all-consuming rage makes perfect sense. (It just took terrible writing to get to that perfect sense.)
It suddenly occurred to me how they could have so easily fixed all this. Keep Peter’s meltdown secondary to the other goings-on and give the big moment of destruction to Nebula.
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.
I’ve become very protective of Peter since GOTG2. He’s an abused kid who grew up with nothing, lost so much, and has to live out the rest of his life knowing he was essentially the product of a megalomaniac god’s creepy breeding program. Now he realises that Thanos has sacrificed Gamora in almost the exact same way his father sacrificed his mother? Of course he’s going to react like that! It wasn’t done out of malice, just pure in-the-moment rage for everything that’d been taken from him.
(And yeah, I doubt that the plan would have worked even if Peter hadn’t snapped. Mantis is strong but Thanos is nigh-on indestructible.)
My main issue here is that no one but Peter and Thanos are allowed to be sad about this. Like, I can understand Peter’s actions. What I can’t understand is Drax, who earlier this same movie blew the plan against Thanos because he wanted immediate revenge, not behaving similarly. What I can’t understand is Mantis, who demonstribly doesn’t just read emotions but feels them, not getting even slightly emotional when Thanos is apparently just so dang sad–like, never mind that she’s known Gamora for four years. What I understand least of all is Nebula, who for the first time on screen (thanks to @inbarfink for pointing this out) saw Gamora stand up to Thanos for her, figuring out what happened and then just dryly expositing about it.
And it comes down to this bullshit I already ranted about way back when I finished Star Trek: Deep Space Nine season 6, where only men who can claim some measure of “ownership” over women get to be sad when something bad happens to said women. Women don’t get close friends. They get parents and lovers and maybe folks who pine over them, and that’s it.
Peter’s rage in this movie is bad. But it’s not bad for the reasons everyone says it is.
Ah, see I agree with you to be honest. From a Doylist perspective (weee! I love using that word) everything about Gamora’s death is terrible writing. But from a Watsonian perspective re: Peter, his all-consuming rage makes perfect sense. (It just took terrible writing to get to that perfect sense.)
I do think Peter Quill’s trauma tends to be a bit overlooked in fandom. When you realise how long the list of traumatic things is, and how many of those things are discomfortingly realistic I guess, it kind of… jumps out at you. (trigger warnings: child abuse , child murder and some discussion of rape. spoiler warnings: Infinity War.)
Y’know after Vol 2, there was a brief wave of people saying “God, Peter’s been through so much, it’s amazing he hasn’t completely snapped.” That one scene in Infinity War which people are calling him a villain or a man-child over? That was him snapping.
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.
I’ve become very protective of Peter since GOTG2. He’s an abused kid who grew up with nothing, lost so much, and has to live out the rest of his life knowing he was essentially the product of a megalomaniac god’s creepy breeding program. Now he realises that Thanos has sacrificed Gamora in almost the exact same way his father sacrificed his mother? Of course he’s going to react like that! It wasn’t done out of malice, just pure in-the-moment rage for everything that’d been taken from him.
(And yeah, I doubt that the plan would have worked even if Peter hadn’t snapped. Mantis is strong but Thanos is nigh-on indestructible.)
(more infinity war spoilers)
Oh absolutely Peter Quill makes a mistake in this movie by allowing rage to overtake him at the last possible moment, but he doesn’t really make any more mistakes than any other MCU hero made in this movie/the leadup to it. And what happened might well have happened anyway without him making said mistake? So no, he’s not the other villain of the movie, AV Club! Jeez! And also a slight ‘ugh’.