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skalja:

fuckyeahspiderwife:

fuckyeahraimispiderman:

Spider-Man 2.1 – MJ and Louise shoe shopping deleted scene

Here we learn how really emotionally abusive MJ’s home life was, and her motivations for marrying John. It’s a quiet little scene, so I can see why they cut it, but oh, poor MJ.

I don’t have this edition of the DVD, so I’d never seen this before — thanks for sharing it!

Yeah, as a whole, the scene doesn’t tell us anything we’re not already shown in other parts of the movie, so the decision not to include it was probably a good one. On the other hand, it would’ve been nice to see more of MJ’s social life, and it would have been really, really nice if only Raimi could’ve kept this exchange:

LOUISE: What about that perfect kiss you said you had once, that guy you believed in?
MARY JANE: That was a fantasy. That’s all he is.

which makes it explicit that MJ knows her crush on Spider-Man was just that, a crush, and she’s moved on. Though she’s speaking from disillusionment, she’s not wrong, either: the Spider-Man she knows at this point is just a fantasy, and so for that matter is Peter, her endlessly flaky BFF. It’s a self-aware reflection of what’s going on at Peter’s end, too. Though he clearly cares about MJ as a person — that’s why they’re close friends in the first place — he persists in keeping her on a pedestal and at emotional arms’ length. They can’t work as a couple until he lets her see who he really is and make her own decision.

Now that I’ve put that down in words I’ve just realized Peter and MJ’s split in Spider-Man 3 makes a lot more sense than I’ve thought in the past, as it comes down to Peter having problems letting MJ off her pedestal and MJ having problems figuring out where the fantastic elements of Peter’s life fits into her reality. (There’s still waaaay too much plot-mandated lack of common sense going on in that movie, though.)

I feel sort of bad for continually reblogging people’s MJ posts with this much tl;dr lately…

Oh god, don’t feel bad, this is brilliant!

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thedecreeofdeath:

I had a sudden realization after watching all the Spiderman movies that starred Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst.. Mary Jane Watson is a slut. I mean like, on Spider 3; when she got all prissy on Peter Parker for doing “their kiss” with some other chick? She did the same with that astronaut dude she was suppose to marry then left at the alter for Parker. Quite an envious bitch. Way to be unconditional. In addition, she flirted with Parker back when she was still in a relationship with Harry Osborn and shit. I did notice how she likes to just dodge the guys in her life around and joggles them as she please. Harry’s dad was totally right about her not being worth his time. Harry did deserve better and he should’ve listened. She makes a classic bitch for breaking such a great friendship apart like that between Harry and Peter. And I never really appreciated her purpose in the movie in the first place, to be honest.

Yes. I’m that affected by this.

I too am affected by this.

Because none of it is true. And one’s worth as a character, one’s worth as a person, is not dictated by how many guys you sleep with. Let’s go through all this:

Mary Jane Watson is a slut.

The Spider-Man movies take place over roughly three years, and in that time MJ has four relationships- Flash, Harry, John and Peter. And you know what? There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with trying to find the right guy- nothing wrong with a woman having sex, even! An amazing concept, I know, but true.

I mean like, on Spider 3; when she got all prissy on Peter Parker for doing “their kiss” with some other chick? She did the same with that astronaut dude she was suppose to marry then left at the alter for Parker.

Apart from the fact that Peter was in a relationship with MJ when he kissed Gwen. MJ wasn’t in a relationship with Peter when she kissed John. Doesn’t matter what sort of kiss it was.

In addition, she flirted with Parker back when she was still in a relationship with Harry Osborn and shit.

No she didn’t. She only ever treated Peter like a friend. She kissed Spider-Man, true, and she probably shouldn’t have done that even though she was having doubts about Harry at that point- but one snog in the heat of the moment does not a ‘slut’ make.

Harry’s dad was totally right about her not being worth his time.

Harry’s dad called his own wife, Harry’s mother, a gold-digger! And, you know…implied to Peter that he was going to rape his girlfriend.

So. Yeah.

Harry did deserve better and he should’ve listened.

Well he didn’t think so, since he risked his life to save her and asked her to stay with him when he was dying.

She makes a classic bitch for breaking such a great friendship apart like that between Harry and Peter.

WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT?

Harry and Peter were doing a perfectly good job of breaking their friendship apart in the first place- she didn’t even know what was going on til halfway through the last movie! Then Harry used her as a pawn to get to Peter, she complied because she thought she was saving his life and…that’s pretty much it. She had nothing to do with it, she wanted them to be friends! She probably shouldn’t have kissed Harry, but she was in despair because she thought her life and relationship was falling apart, and she ran away as soon as she realised what she’d done.

Anyway, look at what we know about movie!MJ. Men have let her down all her life. Her father calls her ‘trash’ to her face! Then she goes out with Flash, who’s a bullying jerk, then she goes out with Harry whose father loudly implies in front of everyone that she’s a slut- it’s a miracle she doesn’t have more difficulties with relationships.

But you know what? The films themselves don’t condemn her for any of that. If you go into the Spider-Man films and come out agreeing with the supervillain-style misogyny we’re meant to be repulsed by, something’s gone very wrong somewhere…