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@spider-xan (a fellow history lover) offered me the opportunity to do a total info-dump about WWII in Britain! (Well, the corner of Britain that my grandparents were in at the time). And I got EXCITED and here we are-

Okay so Grimsby and Cleethorpes were, from what I gather, really major targets during World War 2 owing to their position on the Humber estuary. But everything that happened there was censored from news reports, to stop information leaking out to the Nazis. Whenever a bombing raid happened, it was mentioned in newspapers only very briefly and without mentioning any names at all. (Just ‘a coastal town was attacked today’, that sort of thing) So when enemy airplanes came and unexpectedly dropped three thousand butterfly bombs, the first major ‘test’ of butterfly bombs in Britain, on Grimsby and Cleethorpes in mid-June 1943… it was from what I gather ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. Because no-one knew what they were, and they’d never seen them before, so kids would be out playing and pick them up and… yeah. It was worse than regular bombings because you knew when they were over, but the butterfly bombs could potentially get you at ANY TIME. Based on what I’ve heard from my grandmother, Cleethorpes (for that is where she is from) was very good at doing the whole keep-calm-and-carry-on thing, but it was still a really anxious, unpleasant time.

(Butterfly bombs were also notable in that they were basically designed to kill those who came to help the injured after a initial drop. Still the most profoundly depressing war tactic I can think of.)

There is one thing I came across which kinda highlights the attitude at the time, from here

For weeks following the raid Grimsby suffered severe disruption, including the local bus service.  During the war it was the custom for some buses to be parked at night along Victoria Street and at the Cattle Market in Cromwell Road.  The idea being that if the bus depot were to receive a direct hit by a bomb, at least some buses would still be available for service.

There are DEADLY BOMBS literally just LYING ABOUT and plenty more falling from the SKY but we’re damn well KEEPING THE BUSES!

Anyway, the people of Grimsby and Cleethorpes were left with the nasty task of having to warn everyone about the dangerousness of butterfly bombs without letting on to the Nazis that their bombing campaign had been unsettlingly successful. So posters were set up around the towns, and – this is a horrible detail, but the gruesome-history-loving part of me suspects it’s true – some folks tasked with warning people set up a display involving the boot of a bomb victim, a boot that had a foot still in it. That would probably do the trick, yeah.

There were also videos like this released! And OH DEAR GOD I really shouldn’t laugh at it, I’m sure it wasn’t remotely funny to people at the time, but by our standards it sort of is…kinda funny.

So yes. It was an awful time for everyone, but news of the success never did leak and there was never another attack of that scale in Britain. I’m not sure how many people the butterfly bombs claimed in the two towns, but it was definitely around the two hundred mark I think. (That’s not counting all the people killed by other bombs, that number was much higher.)

Anyway my grandparents were right there during all of this and they survived which I am very grateful for! This is already WAY too long so I’ll just mention the stuff they did/told me about under the cut (along with pictures!)

Okay my grandfather was in a reserved occupation, which basically meant “you can serve the war effort better by staying where you are and continuing to do what you’re doing”. He was a metalworker, and I actually have a picture of him at work, given to me by my uncle-

So either he or my great-grandfather or both (I get very confused around here because they both had the same name and occupation) worked on the Haile Sand Fort, one of the Humber Forts. Here it is (it’s still there)-

And here is a video of some urban explorers checking it out. When I was a kid my grandmother was always full of stories about how dangerous the sea around the fort was, so, you know, maybe don’t try this at home.

(But you can buy the fort! If you have £350,000 lying around.)

My grandad helped fix minesweepers (the big ships which swept for mines) and apparently he was once on a boat attacked by Germans, except somehow he’d gotten there by accident, and I really wanna know the rest of that story I’ll have to ask around???! But he once again obviously survived. Man, do you ever kinda look at your family and go ‘….how in the hell did it turn out I was born?’ But I remain very grateful-

My grandad also kept trying to join the army despite being needed for the minesweeper work, which just goes to show that whenever Nazis spring up there will always be people who really want to fight them, long may that continue.

As you can imagine my grandparents basically spent much of their youths dodging bombs. Some snippets I’ve picked up over the years:

– Grandad was a Cool Guy With A Motorbike who also worked as a firewatcher in addition to the minesweeper stuff, and once jumped over a flaming gas main (and still remained alive! That’s three things which could have killed him by now!)

– My great-grandfather made chains for anti-submarine nets, which is apparently and unsurprisingly also a dangerous job

-At one point the Grimsby/Cleethorpes area just set up a bunch of fake tanks to fool any approaching enemies, and people were encouraged to hang around them and smoke so the Germans would see the pinpricks of fire and think the tanks were manned. Good tactic I guess, but terrible for lungs (I heard this one from my grandmother, I’ve never found the story online, but that’s not surprising I guess)

-The chances of a building being around from one day to the next were slim, my grandad’s house was bombed (he survived thanks to the Anderson shelter, that’s four times) and the shoe shop where my grandmother worked was completely obiltarated. They absolutely saw lots of friends and neighbours die, my grandmother once told me another story about a girl she knew who refused to leave the comfort of her bed for the discomfort of the Anderson shelter and had to be dragged out by her mother, that night a bomb hit the house and she would almost certainly have been killed. Which shows just how much a part of day-to-day life the bombs were, I guess.

And there you go! My family’s World War II story. (The other side of my family almost certainly also has an interesting story, but I dunno who to ask about that one.) Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about it. c:

 

Harry Potter! -spider-xan

OH GOSH I haven’t actually read HP in so long but I have so many Complicated Feelings about a lot of it

the character i least understand: Umbridge. Actually, I suppose that’s not entirely true. I’ve met enough Umbridges at this point in my life to sort of vaguely understand what makes someone an Umbridge… but I wish I didn’t.

interactions I enjoyed the most: I love the interactions between the Golden Trio and between Harry and Sirius. Also, I’ve always felt Harry and Luna’s interactions were a bit underrated.

the character who scares me the most: Draco. Over the years my feelings on him went from ‘alright i guess’ to ‘extremely negative’. You guys probably already know my thoughts on Draco to be honest, I haven’t kept them a secret, but… I suppose it’s not specifically Draco himself I’m scared of so much as everyone’s willingness to excuse him. This is a racist who stamps on people’s faces.

the character who is mostly like me: Probably Tina Goldstein, really. Maybe with a bit of Cho Chang and Luna Lovegood thrown in. (Curiously none of those characters are Hufflepuffs while I am)

hottest looks character: Oh gosh I dunno. Sirius maybe?

one thing i dislike about my fave character: I’m not sure I really have a fave character anymore? But pretty much all the wizarding characters have incredibly cruel, patronising attitudes towards the non-magic world, which I hate

one thing i like about my hated character: If we’re going with Draco, uh… Tom Felton seems like a really nice person.

a quote or scene that haunts me: The bit where Hermione curses Marietta with ‘SNEAK’ across her face has always unnerved me. I always wonder if Marietta ended up scarred for life.

a death that left me indifferent: Maybe Peter Pettigrew’s. It certainly wasn’t what it was built up to be.

a character i wish died but didn’t: UMBRIDGE

my ship that never sailed: I’m still really really fond of Harry/Luna

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replied to your post “I wish I was a bit more excited about Spider-Man: Homecoming. So far…”

I used to be so excited about it, and now I like, haven’t watched any of the trailers, and honestly don’t feel compelled to still :| :| :|

I really hope Zendaya is MJ as that would get my excitement levels back up, but they’ve been so coy about it, and… I just really wish I was more excited, dang, the cast is good and everything but I feel Nothing :(

Is potato chips/crisps and cheese sandwiches a common thing in Britain? I’ve never heard of that before, or at least it’s not really a thing in the part of Canada I’m from (maybe it is in other regions idk)? -spider-xan

It was when I was growing up! All us kids did it at school, just open up the sandwich and stick some crisps in and crunch the bread back together again –

– it seems really weird when I put it like that, heh. I wonder if kids still do it, I hope they do

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replied to your post “You know one thing I’m really angry about? How quickly and how…”

I saw so many people on the left saying shit like, ‘Sure, Trump raped a 13-year-old girl, but Hillary defended a rapist of a 12-year-old girl, so she is just as bad as he is’, like, wtf, no, also open a fucking book about the criminal justice system and read the section about defence lawyers/public defenders.

Honestly, it just seems like there’s so many people who claim to be pro-justice, but have no idea what it means

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replied to your post “The big reason I can sort of forgive Draco is because so the…”

Yeah, I always got the impression he turned away from the DEs in HBP/DH because it wasn’t as easy or glamorous as he thought it would be, versus actual empathy for Muggles and Muggle-borns. And while I’m not convinced that Regulus was necessarily pro-Muggle in his defection, he did ultimately sacrifice himself and his family line to take down Voldemort, whereas while Draco was non-commital about Harry’s identity, I think he still ratted out Ron at Malfoy Manor?

Yeah, definitely agree. One thing I notice every time I idly leaf though a Potter book, though – no-one seems to have much empathy for Muggles at all. Doesn’t McGonagall even say in the very first book something like “Well, they’re not completely stupid”? And she’s a sympathetic character! I know the Wizarding World’s terrible attitudes to Muggles etc were sort of poked at in the books, but…man, Hogwarts and its surrounding magical places just seem like a complete dystopia to me these days.

I honestly think that, based on what we know about the Wizarding World, there would have been another Voldemort along in a few decades. Because the dark lord may have been defeated, but the belief systems that led to him certainly weren’t.

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replied to your photo “Back to being prejudiced against those with a swastika tattoo are we,…”

Yeah, agreed. I do think Draco is more complex than just being a cardboard cut-out bad guy, but it really bothers me to see people try to explain away the fact that he’s still basically a fantasy racist, or try to act like Death Eaters in general are victims of oppression, like, wtf even?

Ohhh the Draco discourse. I remember that! The idea that he’s ever been more victim than perpetrator is just…bizarre to me. He bullies Ron for being poor, he bullies Hermione for being muggle-born, he laughs when Pansy bullies Angelina for her Black hairstyle, he jokes about people being murdered for what they are, he stamps on people’s faces, he’s…

…christ, he’s essentially a teenage Donald Trump. Except hot, so he gets a pass.

spider-xan said: Yeah, I didn’t see any reason why Lara couldn’t have programmed herself into the ship either, especially if she’s also supposed to be super-smart. And yeah, the implied body count was … yikes.

I SO BADLY want to see a superhero film where there’s actually consequences to this stuff! Earth was surely an utter, utter shambles after the credits rolled, millions dead, billions and billions of pounds worth of property destroyed…almost certainly a handful of people thinking “Superman caused all this, let’s hunt him down and kill him…” (And it wouldn’t have hurt to show him helping with the rebuilding, unless they did and I missed it…)