the author’s position is “antifascists are just as bad as fascists because of their use of violence” and is trying to prove that point by appealing to authority via a Churchill quote, and tries to shoehorn in the current events news that Trump put the White House’s bust of Churchill back on display (it was removed from display by Obama in order to make room for a bust of MLK Jr).
it’s, by all accounts, a clusterfuck.
Didn’t Churchill admire Hitler at first?
Wasn’t he himself a huge racist?
Wasn’t he kinda a huge dick?
Like I’m on mobile so I can’t link sources but he wasn’t as admirable as you think lol
yeah churchill was a racist imperialist shithead
Churchill made comments to the tune of “they deserve to die” in response to the Bangladesh famine. Just like with the famine in Ireland, England was exporting food from Bangladesh during the famine.
Honestly, if you think about it, aren’t the fascists the real antifa? /sarcasm
“I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.” -Winston Churchill
Staunchly believes in eugenics, supporter of hitler before the war broke out, supported the russian white army fully aware of their wide pogroms and pushed for political aid to be given to them. Did little to nothing about the famine that was more or less entirely preventable if not able to save millions of lives with action taken. The fact that this absolute devil of a man is celebrated as anything other than a war criminal is a disgrace. Idk who’s implying who’s admiring him though on top of that it seems like all the commentators are definitely in agreement that he’s horrible.
Isn’t the red panels artist an actual nazi or something like that?
Yeah, pretty much. Red Panels is an “alt-lite” comic that tries to make Nazi sympathy sound reasonable. It’s basically just the “politically correct” version of those old A. Wyatt Mann cartoons. Oddly, it’s a perfect illustration of the point that Churchill was making: contemporary fascists (like the cartoonist) do tend to avoid the label “fascist.”
Anyway, Churchill was a genocidal eugenicist, so he makes a natural ally for contemporary fascists. It almost makes you wonder why they go to the trouble of misinterpreting him, when they could just pull from him honestly.
Isn’t this the same person who did that utterly disgusting “We weren’t going to put you in concentration camps but then you started punching us” comic? :(
The Female Assassin by Sarah531 take place after the 4th episode of season 3 where Kelly beat the shit out of Hitler to prevent Germany winning the war. Turns out that her effort was redorded in the history books and the gang have a good time discovering this.
This is a short fanfic about a great idea, because surely an unidentified woman attacking Hitler without ever being caught would go down in history! The dialog feels natural to the characters as we know them from the screen. Especially Kelly’s voice is recognizable, I can really hear her say these lines. Despite the cursning so natural to the Misfit verse I think this is a rather cute text, everyone being as proud of Kelly as she is of herself. You can find it here: http://archiveofourown.org/works/490884
Sigmar Gabriel has defended giving a group of heckling neo-Nazi protesters the middle finger earlier this month. Gabriel, who is the country’s economy minster, raised eyebrows after being accosted by a group of masked protesters holding banners bearing the slogan “Traitor”.
“Man, your father loved his country, and what have you done to it? You’re destroying it,” a protester could be heard saying in video footage of the incident, in a reference to Gabriel’s father, who was a Nazi. The Social Democrat leader, who has publicly condemned his father as a “die-hard Nazi”, turned to face the protesters with a smile, before making the gesture.
In an interview for German television broadcast last night, when asked if he regretted the incident he replied: “I made only one mistake, I have not used both hands”.
yeah, pretty much. like– the best comparison to make here is how i feel about malfoy vs. how i feel about bellatrix lestrange, i.e., i love bellatrix lestrange. love seeing her in the text, love her dialogue, she’s just a joy to read about. and the way she’s presented in the text is– if you’ll excuse the slur– she’s a bitch; the text knows it, the text revels in it. she tortures one of my favorite characters and the one i most identify with (hermione), she uses horrifying language and does horrifying things, she’s a domestic terrorist who wholeheartedly follows an ideology explicitly based on naziism.
and draco malfoy is also a domestic terrorist who follows an ideology based on naziism. the kid is hitler youth, there’s not really any way of getting around this. like, okay, he has a really difficult sixth year because his family has put him in a situation where he has to do a terrible murder that he doesn’t actually want to do. that sucks, you know. having to be hitler youth sucks. but that doesn’t, like… make it okay to be hitler youth.
but fans react more or less as if the opposite is true, as if the fact that malfoy feels unhappy makes it okay that he does evil things. as if, even though bellatrix and malfoy both call hermione a mudblood and curse her/her friends because they’re muggleborns and do their damnedest to get voldemort into power, malfoy feels sad about it– as if that puts him on a completely different moral plane than bellatrix. and, y’know, i disagree with that.
and bellatrix dies, and i cheer when bellatrix dies! every time! it’s one of the best moments in the series, it’s a crowning moment of awesome for molly weasley, bellatrix is so unbelievably horrible and deserves it so much, it’s absolutely beautiful.
but i keep feeling like there’s something i don’t get? people who say that malfoy is better, morally, than severus snape? people who think the canon cuts him a raw deal? and i’ve never seen anything in draco malfoy other than being a rich middle school bully who becomes hitler youth. (probably because, like. there’s so much pain and trauma in this series. me, i like that moment when hermione spins to harry and ron and says no, call me a mudblood, i am a mudblood, that’s what i am– i mean christ, she’s carrying so much, she’s so heartbroken and tired and she’s got the whole world on her shoulders, and i love hermione so much because of that moment of pain.
i love harry so much for smashing dumbledore’s office after the only person who ever promised to remove him from an abusive household dies. i love neville for that moment when he doesn’t want to tell harry & co. that his parents were tortured to death and he has to stand there and listen to his gran tell the whole story, and i love dean and george and cho chang– and i think their pain is more sympathetic and more worthy of attention than malfoy’s, because the kid’s pain generates from having to be hitler youth, and– forgive me– i’m a jew. i don’t find that pain sympathetic at all.
and i don’t find bellatrix sympathetic because of her pain. i don’t find bellatrix sympathetic at all, really. i don’t think you have to sympathize with a character to like them.
but people do sympathize with draco malfoy– that’s that reaction, it’s sympathy. and i think it’s kind of telling that fandom looks at, say, cho chang crying because her boyfriend is dead at the hand of magic nazis, and says “ew, gross, whiny,” and looks at draco malfoy crying because he’s magic hitler youth and says “wow, sad, beautiful.” like. i think there’s a couple things going on there and i think it’s pretty easy to see what they are.)
There’s just so much to unpick, I think, when it comes to Draco And Fandom. There was a discussion on my blog not too long ago about Draco Malfoy vs Kylo Ren, and it basically came down to:
Draco is a Kylo whom everyone treats like a Finn, which is bizarre
Well, okay, Draco is at least not a mass murderer
He’s still a racist though, and he chose to be, and he chose to spend seven-ish books hurling bile and violence at people
Alright maybe you could see him as like an (eventual) defector from a bigoted cult, like, someone who left the Westboro Baptist Church?
Except that when that happened in real life, the defectors apologised for their actions and spent ages trying to make up for it
And Draco never did that, never even apologised. He never did ANY real work, but everyone acts as if he did!
It just baffles me no end. Also it still weirds me out spectacularly how people will condemn other problematic ships (Reylo, Snape/Lily) with one breath and ship Draco/Indian or Black Harry or Hermione in the next. How are you doing that? That’s genuine curiosity: how? He’s a racist! He’s an actual anti-black racist: he laughs along with Pansy when she makes that crack about Angelica’s braids ‘looking like worms’. Why’s everyone got such a blind spot with him? Is it just because Tom Felton’s a nice bloke? What’s going on?!
(And don’t get me started on how horribly Cho Chang was treated by pretty much everyone. Yuck. I’m still surprised Katie Leung actually bothers to give Harry Potter fandom the time of day.)
About the Hitler Youth thing – yeah, that’s what gets me. Like, not too long ago, when my family was together and discussing their various histories, I mention my mum’s ancestor’s flight from Russia during my mum casually drops in ‘Ah yes, people hate us Jews!’. Like, I don’t even know if I really ‘get’ to be considered Jewish – I would assume some belief in God is required at some point and I don’t really have that – but my mother was, she went to a Jewish school and learned Hebrew and everything – and I keep wondering, does she say things like that as a joke or because she actually did grow up thinking people hated her for being Jewish? I’ve never dared ask. But if she did, was it because of people like Draco Malfoy?
Would the Maximoff twins have known HYDRA were a bunch of Nazis? Was that common knowledge? (I mean, there are several real-life organisations people don’t know were once pro-Nazi.) Because the vibe I got from them was definitely not ‘Nazi sympathizers’, rather ‘people duped, afraid and trapped by HYDRA, happy to escape first chance they get, and also really not seeming like they’re fans of any actual Nazi idealogy.’
