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turtles-whynot:

mikelpen:

wackd:

taiey:

bvdwolfrose:

themysticdreambouquet:

bvdwolfrose:

bazingaholmes98:

bvdwolfrose:

honestly……… no more clara references……… that’s enough……………

And he could have literally reminisced about the fact that he did that to donna. it hurt him a lot a you know. Just for one second he realised how wiping Bill’s memories would affect him – can you imagine him having to go through all that again? I swear to shit when Bill told him to think about how he would feel, he literally thought about this exchange

“Donna I was just going”

“Yeah. see ya.”

i mean knowing moffat, he simply refuses make references to things that he didn’t create, so

but honestly that would’ve been a great Donna flashback.

Bill keeps begging him to not wipe her memory, and all of a sudden we flash to black and white, back to that moment between Donna and Ten, with no audio other than Bill’s pleads as the scene of Donna’s own pleads plays out.

we flash back to our current moment, and the Doctor quickly pulls his hands back. “get out”, he says quietly, trying not to let it known that his voice is quavering.

to be fair, the line was “imagine how you’d feel if someone did this to you”, as in if you had your memory wiped, so honestly clara’s theme did fit better than donna’s moment

im also convinced that for him to have considered wiping bill’s memory in the first place he had to have been blocking donna or something

actually, it doesn’t fit the situation better.

if my memory serves correct, twelves memory wipe was consensual, while donna’s was not. twelve wanted to wipe bill’s memory, and she begged him not to, much like how donna begged the doctor not to do the same.

and even when she says, “imagine how you’d feel if someone did this to you”, he CAN’T remember his own memory wipe, he DOESN’T remember it. so that moment was just to tug at the heartstrings of the viewers, and he doesn’t have the memory of clara and his own memory wipe in order to use that experience in order to decide not to wipe her memory. it JUST BARELY makes sense, if that moment truly makes sense at all.

it would have made much more sense if bill had continued to beg him to not wipe her memory, and the doctor had remembered how donna had begged the same, and how badly wiping her memory hurt him, which would make him decide against wiping bill’s memory.

so it’s an example of the situation not truly fitting, moffat refusing to callback to anything that isn’t 100% of his creation and/or design, and moffat not really making any sense.

12 does remember that his memory was wiped.

When something goes missing, you can always recreate it by the hole it left. I know her name was Clara. I know we travelled together. I know that there was an Ice Warrior on a submarine and a mummy on the Orient Express. I know we sat together in the Cloisters and she told me something very important, but I have no idea what she said. Or what she looked like. Or how she talked. Or laughed. There’s nothing there. Just nothing.

 

He knows what it feels like to be missing something.

Whereas if he’d been comparing the situation to Journey’s End, he would’ve wiped her mind anyway then found some rain to feel sorry for himself in.

“Moffat refuses to reference things he didn’t create” is a really fucking weird thing to say about an episode that prominently features a photograph of Susan

I’d say it’s not even a fucking weird thing to say. I’d just go all in and say it’s fucking idiotic.

look he knows his memory was wiped but he doesn’t remember it

re: clara references: i really just did not like her as a companion but the ghost of rose did linger for a really long time so it’s not unprecedented … i do agree donna would have been the better reference there though and like i don’t fucking know why after donna the doctor who force mind wipe someone so i’m blaming moffat

and for the record moffat does entirely ignore cannon his doesn’t create. even cannon he does create lmao okay like susan is there fucking sure because she’s not new who honestly catch him references anything from new who he didn’t create ever? no. besides, he wasn’t the one that brought sarah jane back. moffat has his head so far up his own ass and that sentence is true as shit not only does he not reference things he doens’t create he borderline refuses to admit they even happened or held any source of narrative importance (an example here, if we are being petty, could be the doctor on mind wiping and donna) and sometimes just writes them as though they didn’t happen (literally countless examples)

References from specifically RTD’s Doctor Who that featured in Moffat’s series (With images and gifs this time, as I have them with me and I’m bored)-

Holograms of all the past Doctors, including Nine and Ten, in The Eleventh Hour:

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Magpie Electricals seen in The Beast Below:

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Nine and Ten (and Rose too, apparently, though I haven’t got a shot of her) seen (briefly) in flashback in The Lodger:

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A ton of past villains, including RTD’s Judoon, in The Pandorica Opens:

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RTD-era TARDIS featured very prominently in The Doctor’s Wife:

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Holograms of Rose, Martha and Donna in Let’s Kill Hitler, there to give the Doctor guilt and remind him what he’s capable of doing to his companions:

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Rose and Jack both mentioned in The Wedding of River Song as reasons the Doctor doesn’t want to die:

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(who made those original gifs?)

 

Ten, RTD’s creation, written by Moffat in Day of the Doctor. Keeps his last words “I don’t want to go” as the last words ever said by him on screen:

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Rose/Bad Wolf:

 

The War Doctor seen regenerating into Nine (Moffat on that scene):

 

A wall of past companions and friends, including some pretty obscure RTD-era ones like Erina Magambo:

 

The relationship between the Doctor and Elizabeth I, something RTD created back in “The Shakespeare Code” and Moffat carried on (now we know why she hated him so much in TSC. He never went back for her!)

 

Clara views some past companions in a Moffat-written minisode:

 

The references to where the Twelfth Doctor got his face:

 

Reference to Rose and Martha in Before the Flood:

 

Flashback to Donna in The Girl Who Died, inspiring the Doctor to save Ashildr (this was not a small part of the episode):

(You want a Donna reference that works really well? There it is. After thinking of her, he saves another woman to make himself feel better, dooming her to a life she doesn’t want. He never learns.)

 

Reference to Jack Harkness (co-created by RTD with Moffat himself, but still) in The Girl Who Died:

 

And finally we’re due for the return of John Simm’s Master, as seen in the trailer:

Soo… there’s that. (Sorry for the long post). But one other thing I haven’t seen mentioned? Doctor Who is for children. I bring this up a lot because everyone constantly forgets it. The audience Moffat has been writing for for the past couple of years were not actually alive yet when “Rose” aired. They probably have, at best, a passing familiarity with Donna. To them, Nine is just another Doctor. Rose is just a random pretty lady with sparkly eyes.

That all these references to RTD’s era are in there anyway says rather a lot I think.

 

sarah531:

thenotoriousscuttlecliff:

wackd:

taiey:

bvdwolfrose:

themysticdreambouquet:

bvdwolfrose:

bazingaholmes98:

bvdwolfrose:

honestly……… no more clara references……… that’s enough……………

And he could have literally reminisced about the fact that he did that to donna. it hurt him a lot a you know. Just for one second he realised how wiping Bill’s memories would affect him – can you imagine him having to go through all that again? I swear to shit when Bill told him to think about how he would feel, he literally thought about this exchange

“Donna I was just going”

“Yeah. see ya.”

i mean knowing moffat, he simply refuses make references to things that he didn’t create, so

but honestly that would’ve been a great Donna flashback.

Bill keeps begging him to not wipe her memory, and all of a sudden we flash to black and white, back to that moment between Donna and Ten, with no audio other than Bill’s pleads as the scene of Donna’s own pleads plays out.

we flash back to our current moment, and the Doctor quickly pulls his hands back. “get out”, he says quietly, trying not to let it known that his voice is quavering.

to be fair, the line was “imagine how you’d feel if someone did this to you”, as in if you had your memory wiped, so honestly clara’s theme did fit better than donna’s moment

im also convinced that for him to have considered wiping bill’s memory in the first place he had to have been blocking donna or something

actually, it doesn’t fit the situation better.

if my memory serves correct, twelves memory wipe was consensual, while donna’s was not. twelve wanted to wipe bill’s memory, and she begged him not to, much like how donna begged the doctor not to do the same.

and even when she says, “imagine how you’d feel if someone did this to you”, he CAN’T remember his own memory wipe, he DOESN’T remember it. so that moment was just to tug at the heartstrings of the viewers, and he doesn’t have the memory of clara and his own memory wipe in order to use that experience in order to decide not to wipe her memory. it JUST BARELY makes sense, if that moment truly makes sense at all.

it would have made much more sense if bill had continued to beg him to not wipe her memory, and the doctor had remembered how donna had begged the same, and how badly wiping her memory hurt him, which would make him decide against wiping bill’s memory.

so it’s an example of the situation not truly fitting, moffat refusing to callback to anything that isn’t 100% of his creation and/or design, and moffat not really making any sense.

12 does remember that his memory was wiped.

When something goes missing, you can always recreate it by the hole it left. I know her name was Clara. I know we travelled together. I know that there was an Ice Warrior on a submarine and a mummy on the Orient Express. I know we sat together in the Cloisters and she told me something very important, but I have no idea what she said. Or what she looked like. Or how she talked. Or laughed. There’s nothing there. Just nothing.

He knows what it feels like to be missing something.

Whereas if he’d been comparing the situation to Journey’s End, he would’ve wiped her mind anyway then found some rain to feel sorry for himself in.

“Moffat refuses to reference things he didn’t create” is a really fucking weird thing to say about an episode that prominently features a photograph of Susan

Not to mention the Movellans, all the old sonic screwdrivers on his desk, and the out of order sign on the TARDIS.

All the callbacks Moffat has done that I can remember:

  • Holograms of all the past Doctors in the very first episode Moffat did as showrunner
  • Picture of the First Doctor on the Doctor’s ID card in Vampires of Venice
  • Holograms of Rose, Martha and Donna in Let’s Kill Hitler
  • Clara splitting herself in order to save all the previous Doctors, which formed the entire plot of The Name of the Doctor and featured Clara superimposed into old footage, rather a lot of effort to go to
  • Wall of past companions featured in Day of the Doctor
  • ….Most of what happened in Day of the Doctor, including appearances from all past Doctors, albeit sometimes badly CGIed
  • The relationship between the Doctor and Elizabeth I, something RTD created
  • Reference in Time of the Doctor to a Third Doctor story (”nicked it off the Master in the Death Zone.”)
  • A variety of past Daleks (god, don’t ask me to name them all) seen in Asylum of the Daleks and The Witch’s Familiar
  • The First Doctor and Fourth Doctor seen in The Witch’s Familiar
  • Osgood’s Fourth Doctor scarf
  • Osgood’s question-mark shirt
  • Osgood’s surname
  • The references to where the Twelfth Doctor got his face
  • The Eleventh Doctor speaking in the Fourth Doctor’s voice in The Almost People
  • The Twelfth Doctor speaking in the Fourth Doctor’s voice in Mummy on the Orient Express
  • Reference to Sarah Jane in Under the Lake (”I should have known you didn’t live in Aberdeen” on the card)
  • Reference to Rose and Martha in Before the Flood
  • Flashback to Donna in The Girl Who Died
  • Reference to Harry Sullivan in The Zygon Inversion
  • The scene with the Doctor learning about the Brig’s death (that was a huge thing!) in The Wedding of River Song
  • The Brig actually showing up (ditto) as a Cyberman in Death in Heaven
  • The aforementioned picture of Susan
  • The aforementioned Movellans
  • The aforementioned sonic screwdrivers and TARDIS sign
  • The return of John Simm’s Master, as seen in the trailer
  • The existence of Kate Stewart

And a possible reason for the lack of a callback specific to Donna:

We’re seeing the Doctor through Bill’s eyes. A whole new generation of fans will hopefully being seeing the Doctor – the kindly, heroic Doctor – through Bill’s eyes too.

It may be wise to not mention just yet that he was once faced with a woman begging him not to wipe her mind, and yet did it anyway.

thenotoriousscuttlecliff:

wackd:

taiey:

bvdwolfrose:

themysticdreambouquet:

bvdwolfrose:

bazingaholmes98:

bvdwolfrose:

honestly……… no more clara references……… that’s enough……………

And he could have literally reminisced about the fact that he did that to donna. it hurt him a lot a you know. Just for one second he realised how wiping Bill’s memories would affect him – can you imagine him having to go through all that again? I swear to shit when Bill told him to think about how he would feel, he literally thought about this exchange 

“Donna I was just going”

“Yeah. see ya.”

i mean knowing moffat, he simply refuses make references to things that he didn’t create, so

but honestly that would’ve been a great Donna flashback.

Bill keeps begging him to not wipe her memory, and all of a sudden we flash to black and white, back to that moment between Donna and Ten, with no audio other than Bill’s pleads as the scene of Donna’s own pleads plays out.

we flash back to our current moment, and the Doctor quickly pulls his hands back. “get out”, he says quietly, trying not to let it known that his voice is quavering.

to be fair, the line was “imagine how you’d feel if someone did this to you”, as in if you had your memory wiped, so honestly clara’s theme did fit better than donna’s moment 

im also convinced that for him to have considered wiping bill’s memory in the first place he had to have been blocking donna or something 

actually, it doesn’t fit the situation better.

if my memory serves correct, twelves memory wipe was consensual, while donna’s was not. twelve wanted to wipe bill’s memory, and she begged him not to, much like how donna begged the doctor not to do the same.

and even when she says, “imagine how you’d feel if someone did this to you”, he CAN’T remember his own memory wipe, he DOESN’T remember it. so that moment was just to tug at the heartstrings of the viewers, and he doesn’t have the memory of clara and his own memory wipe in order to use that experience in order to decide not to wipe her memory. it JUST BARELY makes sense, if that moment truly makes sense at all.

it would have made much more sense if bill had continued to beg him to not wipe her memory, and the doctor had remembered how donna had begged the same, and how badly wiping her memory hurt him, which would make him decide against wiping bill’s memory.

so it’s an example of the situation not truly fitting, moffat refusing to callback to anything that isn’t 100% of his creation and/or design, and moffat not really making any sense.

12 does remember that his memory was wiped. 

When something goes missing, you can always recreate it by the hole it left. I know her name was Clara. I know we travelled together. I know that there was an Ice Warrior on a submarine and a mummy on the Orient Express. I know we sat together in the Cloisters and she told me something very important, but I have no idea what she said. Or what she looked like. Or how she talked. Or laughed. There’s nothing there. Just nothing.

He knows what it feels like to be missing something.

Whereas if he’d been comparing the situation to Journey’s End, he would’ve wiped her mind anyway then found some rain to feel sorry for himself in.

“Moffat refuses to reference things he didn’t create” is a really fucking weird thing to say about an episode that prominently features a photograph of Susan

Not to mention the Movellans, all the old sonic screwdrivers on his desk, and the out of order sign on the TARDIS.  

All the callbacks Moffat has done that I can remember:

  • Holograms of all the past Doctors in the very first episode Moffat did as showrunner
  • Picture of the First Doctor on the Doctor’s ID card in Vampires of Venice
  • Rose flashback in The Lodger
  • Judoon seen in The Pandorica Opens
  • Holograms of Rose, Martha and Donna in Let’s Kill Hitler
  • Clara splitting herself in order to save all the previous Doctors, which formed the entire plot of The Name of the Doctor and featured Clara superimposed into old footage, rather a lot of effort to go to
  • Wall of past companions featured in Day of the Doctor
  • ….Most of what happened in Day of the Doctor, including appearances from all past Doctors, albeit sometimes badly CGIed
  • The relationship between the Doctor and Elizabeth I, something RTD created
  • Reference in Time of the Doctor to a Third Doctor story (”nicked it off the Master in the Death Zone.”)
  • A variety of past Daleks (god, don’t ask me to name them all) seen in Asylum of the Daleks and The Witch’s Familiar
  • The First Doctor and Fourth Doctor seen in The Witch’s Familiar
  • Osgood’s Fourth Doctor scarf
  • Osgood’s question-mark shirt
  • Osgood’s surname
  • The references to where the Twelfth Doctor got his face
  • The Eleventh Doctor speaking in the Fourth Doctor’s voice in The Almost People
  • The Twelfth Doctor speaking in the Fourth Doctor’s voice in Mummy on the Orient Express
  • Reference to Sarah Jane in Under the Lake (”I should have known you didn’t live in Aberdeen” on the card)
  • Reference to Rose and Martha in Before the Flood
  • Flashback to Donna in The Girl Who Died
  • Reference to Harry Sullivan in The Zygon Inversion
  • The scene with the Doctor learning about the Brig’s death (that was a huge thing!) in The Wedding of River Song
  • The Brig actually showing up (ditto) as a Cyberman in Death in Heaven
  • The aforementioned picture of Susan
  • The aforementioned Movellans
  • The aforementioned sonic screwdrivers and TARDIS sign
  • The return of John Simm’s Master, as seen in the trailer
  • The existence of Kate Stewart

benpaddon:

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fomoriii:

another thing that annoys me abt moffat writing, now dr who is a Thing again: his naming. amelia pond. clara oswald. river fucking song. its like the names id give my quirky mary sues and gary stus when i was 12 – except he only does it to the girls

its really? just? idk annoying. and is part of his panic pixie dream girl this woman is ~speshul thing that i loathe. like donna nobles name was specifically chosen; noble, as a trait – and obvs everyones name is chosen to suit them and even say smth abt them but moffat likes peculiar, creative names and its fucking annoying

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Amy Pond and River Song are fairy tale names, yes. Both of their storylines are about them navigating the idealism of fairy tales with the reality of their lives, foregrounding their agency and choices. The names are apt and the stories extremely relatable for me, thanks.

Clara Oswald is in no way a weird or unusual or “quirky” name. Clara is a name as a tribute to Elisabeth Sladen, the sadly deceased actress who played Sarah Jane. It was her middle name. And Oswald is a perfectly real surname, which a bit of Googling tells me dates back quite a ways in Scotland among other things. You’re right, however, that her character interacts with the Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope. Series 7 leans into it as a critique and rejection of that trope. To quote Moffat, “The idea of ‘the Impossible Girl’ is because that name in no way applies to her properly. The Doctor thinks she’s impossible and then discovers she’s a perfectly real person, a perfectly ordinary person. His disposition is to treat people like puzzles to be deconstructed and what he learns in dealing with Clara is he was dealing with a real human being and if he’d picked up on that earlier they would have been better friends quicker. So that’s what ‘the Impossible girl’ is, it doesn’t exist, she’s just Clara Oswald.” Which is, I stress again, a perfectly ordinary name.

And, of course, Danny Pink is a perfectly ordinary name for a bloke to have. Moffat definitely only gives women fairytale names.

That original post has a strange…. edge to it that really makes me uncomfortable, but I can’t put my finger on it.

Anyway, I did a Facebook search for “Clara Oswald” and removed everyone who had a Doctor Who avatar. There were well over a hundred of them.

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taiey:

sarah531:

mewiet:

beccaland:

Bill started an essay on quantum physics by quoting the Bible and the Doctor gave her 92%.

Poetry, physics: same thing.

Bill: my problematic fave who doesn’t quote sandwich and worse, starts academic essays off with quotes.

Oh gosh I love this detail.

THE COSMIC FAR ULTRAVIOLET BACKGROUND is nicked from this website, the ‘Blazar’ section:

Blazars are members of the family of active galactic nuclei and quasars, defined specifically by their strong optical Polarization and variability. These unique defining properties seemed mysterious and even paradoxical in the 1960s and 1970s, but now there is a growing consensus that their behaviour and their role among quasars is qualitatively understood.  Many of the modern ideas started to emerge during an important meeting in 1978 (the Pittsburg Confernce on BL Lac Objects). This is a good place to pick up the historical thread.

BL Lac objects have historically been defined as point-like sources of optical radiation that show little or no line emission, and strong and variable brightness and polarization. Pittsburgh meeting participants made it clear that some nearby objects exhibit all of these properties, along with narrow emission lines of considerable strength. Because they did not seem fundamentally different from the original BL Lacs, they were generally accepted as members of the class.

Since she got 97%, we’ll assume that the plagiarism is not diegetic.

QUANTUM STATISTICS OF LIGHT comes from here:

Just over 100 years ago, physicists exploring the newly discovered atom found that the atomic world of electrons and protons is not just smaller than our familiar world of trees, balls, and automobiles, it is also fundamentally different in character. Objects in the atomic world obey different rules from those obeyed by a tossed ball or an orbiting planet. These atomic rules are so different from the familiar rules of everyday physics, so counterintuitive and unexpected, that it took more than 25 years of intense research to uncover them.

I appreciate that they put in some effort to make them realish things she could’ve been learning, though not too much effort.

and she knows some serious quantum astrophysics now, like maybe not the maths stuff but the concepts. take note.

natalunasans:

lyricwritesprose:

taiey:

sarah531:

So what’s the deal with Bill’s foster mother? Was she a family friend who took her in or something? They don’t seem to have a particularly close relationship, Bill’s not even out to her it seems? Also, fostering is usually a temporary arrangement before either the fosterer or someone else adopts the child (to the best of my knowledge) so why didn’t Bill get adopted?

I have so many questions.

Pearl’s delivery suggests to me Bill has come out to her foster mum, it just didn’t… stick…

That was my impression as well.  The way she said that boys weren’t what she had her eye on—it wasn’t the furtiveness of someone who doesn’t want this person to know, it was the frustration of someone who knows she could divert a pride parade through her living room and not get the message across.

i don’t get why she’s still there as an adult though… i mean i assume its too expensive to move out but can you even stay in the foster care system after age 18? (or whatever age it is in UK)

#also why do we have a black main character who appears to interact with ZERO other poc#I know the %s aren’t the same in UK but seriously?!

She has got her friends in the bar I think, although you don’t really see them

But…I actually kinda wonder if “She grew up with a white and not very attentive foster mother” answers that question…