watching the sam raimi spider-man and i think i just pinpointed the moment harry osborn started having sex feelings for peter parker.

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harry osborn meme > 3/6 scenes
Harry and MJ on the bridge
Harry kidnaps MJ and takes her to the bridge where his father murdered Gwen. MJ tells him he won’t get the satisfaction of her pleading for her life and Harry is utterly horrified. He only wanted to talk to her and let her know he would never kill her to hurt Peter, the way his father killed Gwen. The two old friends do then talk, but sadly. [Spectacular Spider-Man #200]
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The bicycle
Harry recieves a new bicycle from Norman, but it’s stolen by some neighbourhood kids. Norman chases the kids down, takes back the bike, and smashes it up in front of Harry to teach him “what happens to your nice things if you don’t take care of them”. Many years later, Harry relates that story at an AA meeting. [Amazing Spider-Man Extra #3 – “Nice Things”]
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Harry’s sacrifice and death
Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that. [Peter]
Okay, I’d been holding this post back til The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was released worldwide, but it’s out now (and hell, this post is as spoiler-free as I could get it, anyway.)
Let’s talk about Harry Osborn! Or, more specifically, let’s talk about what the new film (and most adaptations in fact) leave out: his schizophrenia.
[trigger warning for mental health and child abuse discussion]
In the comics, Harry’s schizophrenia was brought on from a LSD overdose, although it was also probably partly down to genetics. Harry’s father, Norman, (who, while up against some pretty stiff competition, probably takes the crown for Worst Father In The Marvelverse) subjected Harry to various forms of abuse as he grew up. Neglect, violence, belittlement, it was all in there – Norman’s father had done the same thing to him. And Norman (as even casual Marvel readers know, I think) is schizophrenic himself – he’s also the Green Goblin, and also generally incredibly powerful and rich. His schizophrenia’s been a plot point in many interesting stories, but Norman’s pretty much out-and-out power-mad, cruel and violent. He’s a fascinating character, but – yeah, this is where this veers sideways into representation discussion – he’s not really good representation for mentally ill folk.
But – to me, at least – Harry is. While Harry grew up wanting for nothing material-goods wise – this is what most people use as the jumping-off point for his character, sigh – he also grew up, you know, abused. As is the case in many, many parent-child abuse cases, he still loved his father, but he also dearly loved Peter, and MJ, and Gwen, and Liz, and his own son. He became the second Green Goblin after a hallucination of his father goaded him to, but he wasn’t really very good at it at all. In fact, he went his whole run without killing anybody – don’t get me wrong, he hurt people, he was a supervillain – but he really didn’t have it in him to kill anyone, let alone his best friend or anyone close to him. (This is where I give a very, very dirty look to Marc Webb and co.) Peter himself even pointed it out once or twice: Harry wasn’t evil, he was ill.
Comic books and mental health issues really don’t go together- I think everyone’s aware of that to some extent. Heroes are heroes: villains are ‘lunatics’. DC’s even been called out on it; I dunno if Marvel has. But people with mental health issues deserve to be represented as something other than the bad guy. If you’re a teenage girl holed up in your parent’s house, avoiding your cat because you think there’s a chance it’s actually a demon and fighting off awful intrusive thoughts (yo) you’re probably going to cling like mad to anything telling you might be okay after all. It was 2007, Spider-Man 3 had just come out so there were Spidey comics available everywhere- I was lucky to get Harry. He was a big help. He had mental health problems, he lashed out, alienated people, scared his own son, and even though it all took place in a heightened comic-book universe it seemed to work. People in that universe even seemed to like him. (One of my favourite, favourite moments of the Parker-Osborn friendship comes in Amazing Spider-Man Extra #1, when Peter hears some jerks Harry’s doing business with mocking his mental stability – “Maybe I can get nutjob insurance! Then it might even pay for him to turn into a blithering psychopath!” – and promptly overturns a punch bowl on their heads.)
Anyway, while browsing comic book message boards and the like, I’ve heard more than one person say, “Wait, are you telling me that almost all supervillains have a mental illness of some sort – yet none of them ever seem to respond well to treatment, go to therapy, and settle down quietly with their loved ones?” Well – I don’t read that many comics, so I don’t know if there are others (I hope so) but Harry was definitely one who did, and that was a big relief. Which is why I wish TASM2 hadn’t done what they did to him: introducing him as a ‘trust fund baby hipster kid’ when he was a much, much deeper character than that – abuse victim, drug addict – and then turning him into a generic supervillain who cares absolutely nothing for innocent victims. (This is the guy who couldn’t kill Peter when he was lying unarmed in front of him!) By essentially making him just a younger version of Norman who was kindasorta Peter’s friend once, they’ve taken away what became, as the comics went on, the important thing about the Osborns, at least to me: yes, undoubtably there are mentally ill people out there who are Normans. There’d have to be. But more of them – like me, like most – are Harrys.
This isn’t to say that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is a bad movie, or that Dane Dehaan didn’t do very well with what he was given or yadda yadda yadda. But, since Marvel’s been able to showcase issues like addiction, anxiety and PTSD, I was really hoping they’d show Harry for what he really was – absolutely having a severe, stigmatised mental illness and still being a good, loving person. It makes me so disappointed that they didn’t.
harry osborn meme > 4/4 relationships
Harry and his sons
“You’ll have to excuse my husband, Peter. The doctors say he’s got the worst case of new daddy syndrome ever recorded!” [Liz]
harry osborn meme > ¾ relationships
Harry and Gwen
“I still miss Gwen. So much. There are times…even after all these years…when I just can’t believe it. ‘It can’t be true,’ I think. ‘She can’t really be dead.’”
harry osborn meme > 2/4 relationships
Harry and MJ
“I’d never hurt you! Never! You’re my friend…one of the dearest friends I’ve ever had! I love you!”
harry osborn meme > ¼ relationships
Harry and Peter
“I want to thank you. I appreciate everything you’ve done for me. Now…and always.”