gwen stacy

Spider-Man 3 is an all-over-the-place campy glorious wild mess of a movie, but in the middle of it all they managed to pull off something remarkably progressive:

Everything about Gwen.

As you probably know (there’s been a lot of talk about it since the most recent Spider-movie) Gwen Stacy isn’t just a fridged female character: she’s the fridged female character. She’s iconic as the beautiful dead girl in Peter Parker’s arms, murdered partly by Norman Osborn and partly by writers and editors who didn’t know what to do with her. People know her far better as a corpse than a character. I’m not saying that her death and the fallout from it isn’t deservedly known as one of the best stories in comics, but dying young both canonised her and warped her – for literally decades she was a perfect, pure, idealised image of What Could Have Been, rather than a person in her own right. (Which she was!) Fandom often used her as a stick to beat MJ – flirty short-skirt-wearing party girl MJ – with, using disturbingly misogynist rhetoric. When Sins Past – the story where it was revealed Gwen had slept with Norman Osborn – came out, people were furious with Gwen for ‘tainting’ herself, rather than furious at Norman for sleeping with a woman young enough to be his daughter. (There was anger at the writers too, but it was mostly in the same vein.)

Anyway! Once I’d spent enough time in Spider-Man fandom to get to know both Gwen and what she became, I was watching Spider-Man 3 one night and it hit me. Okay, I knew perfectly well that she didn’t die in this one, but this Gwen, far from being perfect or pure, was everything people aren’t meant to like in a female character. She’s a model. (Shallow!) She’s only an average science student. (Stupid!) She’s – through no fault of her own – a very real threat to Peter and MJ’s relationship. (Bitch!) She’s still friendly and even flirty to Eddie Brock, even though she has no romantic interest in him. (Cocktease!) She turns down Eddie’s advances, even though he’s obsessed with her, and goes on a date with another man. (Friendzoner!) She’s quite happy to literally wrap her legs around that other man. (Slut!) She’s also a sweet, polite, nice person, but come on! The very archetype of the Woman In The Refrigerator, Gwen, just friendzoned the supervillan and sexy-danced with the superhero: really, she’s gonna survive?

But not only does she survive, absolutely nothing bad happens to her (beyond the inital accident that brought her into the story). When she realises Peter’s using her to make MJ jealous, she apologises to the other woman and walks away. Eddie becomes Venom, but (though motivated by ‘losing’ Gwen) he doesn’t actually go after her. MJ doesn’t seem overly fond of the girl her boyfriend’s been flirting with, but after Gwen apologises that subplot’s forgotten. Gwen’s father, who dies in the comics, doesn’t die this time around. MJ doesn’t die either – someone is killed to inspire Peter to be a better person, but that’s Harry, another man. Oh, and creepy Eddie is toast. (Literally.)

So yes.

Who knows if any of that was intentional? If Sam Raimi had gotten to make a Spider-Man 4, maybe he’d have killed Gwen Stacy off then, I don’t know. But I’ve always been pretty pleased with this movie because, whether by accident or design, the only Gwen who gets to be overtly sexual is also the only Gwen who gets to live.

a spider-man / game of thrones au

Winter is coming for the Parkers of the North, whose house motto is “With great power comes great responsibility”. They have a dubious alliance with the Osborns, who are extremely skilled in alchemy and have a history of killing their enemies with wildfire. (Owing to this, their house sigil is a green goblin). Each house has only one male heir, Peter of the Parkers and Harry of the Osborns. The two boys played together and were close as children: had one of them been born female they might have united the houses.

Comfortable on the Iron Throne is Norman Osborn, the Goblin King. It is a fact well known to his closest circle of advisors – the Six – that he despises his young heir and greatly prefers the orphaned Peter. Peter is known to all as the Spider Prince – a nickname partly based on his house sigil, but mostly based on his cunning, agility and recklessness in battle, recklessness that many years ago lead to the death of his uncle.

The reign of the Goblin King is fraught with misfortune. The Six, despite their alleged loyality to Norman, are each plotting against him in their seperate ways. Harry falls in love with a beautiful prostitute, Mary Jane, but she doesn’t love him back, while Peter strikes up a relationship with Gwendolyn, daughter of the Hand of the King. Then disaster strikes: Norman is maimed by his own wildfire and lies close to death. He calls on his Hand, George Stacy, to force Harry to take the black while Peter – whose parentage is dubious, who’s to say he’s not Norman’s – claims the throne. When Stacy refuses, Norman has his seemingly most loyal henchman, the Octopus, murder him.

Suddenly alliances and friendships are stretched as far as they will possibly go. As the daughter of a traitor, Gwendolyn is taken hostage, an action that ultimately leads to her death. A griefstricken Peter swears revenge, but Norman dies before any action can be taken. Harry takes the Iron Throne and sits there very uneasily: he names Peter as his Hand but dismisses him in a fit of anger when he sees him and Mary Jane together.

Things go from bad to worse as the years go by. The Octopus, in an attempt to claim some power for himself, begins to court Peter’s aunt, the Lady May. Harry marries a princess, Elizabeth, and fathers a son who many of the Six and their allies want out of the picture – the Osborns have held power for far too long. Meanwhile a young man known only as the Knight of Venom is rallying a supernatural army for an attack on the throne: rumour has it that he can bond with shadow itself and is stronger than a thousand men. On the other side of the vast sea, two of Norman’s bastard children – Gabriel and Sarah, whose maternity is a terrible secret – are seeking to strengthen their claims as well.

Peter’s code of honour may outlast him: there is very little place for responsibility in this world, only power, and they say all men must die.

 

symkaria:

Peter Parker, who walked out on Harry when he needed him most, when he was literally crawling after him begging for help, is completely oblivious to why Harry is angry with him

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See, here’s what I love about whole Death Of Gwen Stacy arc and all the fallout from it – almost all the sympathetic characters do behave like assholes, and yet it’s so understandable why they’re acting that way that it utterly breaks my heart. Peter walks in on Harry having a bad acid trip hours after Gwen was murdered. Just hours! While he’s looking for Harry’s father so he can kill him. No-one’s even remotely in their right state of mind. Peter’s reaction – “I have more important things to do than hold your hand” is cruel (…especially since it’s Harry’s only living relative he’s about to go kill…) but under the circumstances, I think it’s just about understandable. Back in the real world, I think there’s probably hundreds upon thousands upon millions of friends and families of drug addicts who’ve thought those words at some point, and it’s awful, but it rings pretty true, is what I’m saying.

Anyway, by the time we get to the scene depicted in the original image, a few more things have happened. Not only is Gwen dead but Norman is too, and Harry witnessed Spider-Man kill him (well, sort of). He doesn’t know that Peter is Spider-Man, but at this point he’s had two loved ones murdered in ONE DAY so he’s not really functioning at all. Peter lost the girl he loved and now probably sees her killer every time he looks at his roommate. (Y’know, since Harry and Norman look pretty alike and all.) Peter and Harry should have talked to each other properly, they should have done something, but they didn’t, setting the stage for Harry’s bouts of supervillany later on. But all things considered – and this is what makes these characters so sympathetic for me – it’s amazing things didn’t turn out even worse than they did.

Although Gwen Stacy is played by Emma Stone now, and she had many great moments in ASM (and of course so did comic!Gwen back in her day) my favourite ever moment involving Gwen is in Spider-Man 3. Wanna hear about it?

It’s when she meets Eddie at Spider-Man Day. They’ve been on a coffee-date already and when Eddie asks to take her pictures, she makes a vaguely provocative (well, you know, by most men’s standards), smiley pose at him. (She’s a model in this ‘verse, used to posing for the camera.) Then he asks her for another date and she says no. Eddie’s expression turns to one of bubbling-under anger, but then the scene cuts away and Eddie and Gwen don’t interact again. (Although he remains obsessed with her, watching her from afar when she goes out with Peter instead)

Now let’s go through all that again-

A WOMAN ACTED PROVOCATIVELY IN FRONT OF A MAN

AN ATTRACTIVE WOMAN, WITH A CAREER AS A MODEL (!), ACTED PROVOCATIVELY IN FRONT OF A MAN

WHOM SHE HAD ALREADY BEEN ON A DATE WITH THAT DIDN’T END IN SEX

EVEN THOUGH HE’S MADLY IN LOVE WITH HER SHE DENIES HIM SEX, OMG

-BUT THEN

SHE EXERCISED HER RIGHT TO SAY NO WHEN HE WANTED TO TAKE IT FURTHER

SHE DIDN’T SEE HIM AGAIN, BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO (and after the way he looked at her, who can blame her)

-AND ALSO

SHE’S THE MAIN ‘RIVAL’ FOR PETER’S AFFECTIONS

SHE KISSES HIM AND UNINTENTIONALLY CAUSES A RIFT IN PETER AND MJ’S RELATIONSHIP

SHE ACTS FRIENDLY AND TOUCHY-FEELY AROUND PETER, ACTIONS THAT COULD BE MISCONSTRUED (AND ARE, BY MJ)

-B U T

SHE’S NOT BLAMED FOR EDDIE TURNING INTO A SUPERVILLAIN

SHE’S NOT BLAMED FOR WHAT PETER DID

SHE’S NOT BLAMED FOR ANYTHING AT ALL, QUITE RIGHTLY

SHE’S NOT ACCUSED OF LEADING EDDIE ON

SHE’S NOT TOLD SHE ‘FRIENDZONED’ HIM

MJ REACTS LESS THAN FRIENDLY TO HER, TRUE, BUT DOESN’T CALL HER A SLUT (She goes no further than to snap about Gwen’s ‘polished fingernails’, which might even be a jibe at Gwen’s higher social status, she’s the daughter of the police chief after all.)

PETER DOESN’T CALL HER A SLUT

NO-ONE CALLS HER A SLUT

BECAUSE SHE ISN’T

AND SHE FINISHES THE MOVIE ALIVE AND WELL

DO YOU KNOW HOW RARE THAT IS

DO YOU

spider-xan:

I’m still calling it now that if it ends up being true that there will be a Peter/Gwen/Harry love triangle in TASM2, NO ONE is going to say shit like, ‘Harry is a slutty bitch for trying to steal Peter’s woman~’ the way the fandom bashes Mary Jane as some sort of home-wrecker out to steal Peter from Gwen or her possible corpse.

Stay transparently sexist and misogynistic with your double standards, fandom!

No-one said that during the last lovetriangleriffic set of Spidey movies either, come to think of it. Everything that went wrong there was apparently 100% MJ’s fault…

(And I love Harry, as is hilariously obvious by just a glance at my Spidey tag, but he does get a pass from fandom for some pretty crappy behaviour. Like that time he was pushing MJ to dress how *he* wanted her to, or the time he yelled at her in front of everyone- we know *why* he acts like that, but it shouldn’t excuse him. Can you imagine what would happen if MJ or Gwen yelled at Peter to ‘keep your mouth shut about things you don’t understand’ in a upcoming movie? People would hate them for it!)