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It still epicly annoys me that through most of the second half of Series Six Amy and Rory don’t mention their child. Why do a story involving a lost, stolen baby if you’re not going to deal with the fallout?
It still epicly annoys me that through most of the second half of Series Six Amy and Rory don’t mention their child. Why do a story involving a lost, stolen baby if you’re not going to deal with the fallout?
October 15, 2011 @ 9:12 pm
Totally what I thought. I love River, but she isn’t a solution to the issue.
October 15, 2011 @ 9:19 pm
They should’ve done it right or not done it at all. :(
October 15, 2011 @ 9:28 pm
Word.
October 15, 2011 @ 9:40 pm
Dammit, Moff!
October 15, 2011 @ 9:56 pm
It annoys me too, and casts a huge shadow over the whole season. It’s especially striking now that Sarah Jane Adventures has done the exact same plot and had Sarah Jane and co far more concerned for a total stranger than Amy and Rory were for their own child. (Do Amy and Rory even know that the little girl in the astronaut suit, living up in that creepy orphanage full of Silents, is their daughter?) I keep seeing people justifying it as “Amy and Rory know enough about time travel to realise that saving the baby would kill River as they know her” – except, no, they blatantly don’t know that until after The Girl Who Waited or they’d know the Doctor was lying straight off the bat. And even if that’s right it doesn’t really explain why they never mention her, even when older-Amy’s laying into the Doctor for ruining her life.
October 15, 2011 @ 10:12 pm
You know, I don’t think they did! Amy doesn’t even know she shot her daughter…which was potrayed as being a big thing anyway, her shooting a child, and then it was never mentioned again after the second episode… It infuriates me so much. I love a lot of individual episodes- The Doctor’s Wife, A Good Man Goes To War, The Girl Who Waited- and I love the characters, but this thing with the baby has pretty much, well, ruined the season. I hate that. Woe.
October 15, 2011 @ 10:33 pm
It annoys me that a few minor changes could have, if not saved the storyline (because Amy and Rory still ultimately lose their baby) at least have mitigated the awfulness a bit; actually talk about Melody, for one thing. Put The Girl Who Waited straight after Let’s Kill Hitler so that it’s at least plausible that the “we want to save Melody but it would kill River” idea is right. Have some sort of mention of Melody in the bits where it’s ridiculous that parents in that situation wouldn’t be thinking about their children. Show Amy and Rory trying to come up with a workaround that will let them help Melody without disrupting the timeline, or having a glimmer of interest in River or some reaction to the fact that they’ve also just lost their childhood best friend. Or maybe just don’t do four episodes about parent/child love (specifically father/son love) conquers everything and saves the day in the same season where the companions have their baby stolen and don’t get her back. Gah,I apparently still have ~~all the feelings~~ about this…
October 16, 2011 @ 4:09 pm
It pretty much ruins the season for me. Everything I feared would go wrong with the story DID go wrong with the story. :( After a story where a woman’s baby turns to goop in her arms, don’t follow it up with a cheerful romp around Nazi Germany where a) the woman the baby becomes is described as WORSE THAN ADOLF HITLER, b) the parents don’t stay by the side of their adult daughter when she’s left at a hospital and go and have adventures instead and c) IT’S A CHEERFUL ROMP AROUND NAZI GERMANY. See, I did like this series at first, and I still like bits of it, but then I start thinking about it and I don’t really like it. The Melody Pond = worse than Hitler thing is getting to me as well. Sorry to rant at you. This will all go in a proper post soon! ;)
October 16, 2011 @ 7:06 pm
Ha, I am ranty about this as well, and likewise need to do a proper post on it. I was thinking last night about your previous post on Amy and Rory’s parents essentially raising Mels, and it hit me that from their point of view she simply vanishes one day, never to be seen again, and they’ll never know why. Gah, it’s very irritating to be more emotionally involved in a story than the characters it’s happening to.
October 16, 2011 @ 7:37 pm
It’s just…so bizzare. ‘Cos Steven Moffat’s a good writer (I tend to cry at the end of The Doctor Dances) and this…none of it makes sense. No parents act like that, and I can’t even justify the Doctor leaving the little girl behind at the end of DOTM either. This series all looks clever, but… Well, I’m writing fix-it fic! I just wish I didn’t have to!
October 16, 2011 @ 9:13 pm
I love a lot of Steven Moffat’s stuff, but he has exactly the same problem as Russell T Davies where there’s a perfect, already-established way out of the plot that they don’t use. (We need to bring the Master back; we spent an entire episode setting up his involvement in a bizarre genetics lab aimed at creating immortality; we should have a magic cult resurrect him like Voldemort! We’ve neglected to have the companions react to the loss of their baby; the baby was stolen by an alien race with bizarre effects on memory; nah, they just really didn’t react that much.)
October 17, 2011 @ 7:59 am
I wrote a couple of them. Let me know if you want to read them– if you’re over 17 that is. One is adult themed.
October 17, 2011 @ 8:31 pm
Ooh yes, let’s see them!
October 17, 2011 @ 8:44 pm
Okay– but warning they may be a bit “rough” in style. I’m forever editing things. This one has a very adult beginning. This one is all ages, but has some swearing, but has guest stars from other seasons.
October 20, 2011 @ 9:23 pm
Ooh, they’re very good, and so sad. :(
October 21, 2011 @ 5:35 am
Thank you for reading.
October 15, 2011 @ 10:49 pm
Yep. I’m actually hoping Amy and Rory aren’t companions next season just because I want to leave the whole sorry mess behind us.
October 16, 2011 @ 4:11 pm
I have my fingers crossed that maybe it can be redeemed somehow? Have them show up as a family, share fond memories about growing up together, make it clear they actually love each other…it’s never gonna happen is it? :(
October 16, 2011 @ 1:38 am
Yeah it was stupid.
October 16, 2011 @ 4:12 pm
Bloody stupid!
October 16, 2011 @ 1:41 am
This It left a sour taste, only partially redeemed by bad ass Amy in the last ep.
October 16, 2011 @ 4:13 pm
Ah yes, that was good. I liked that a lot, I just wish it had happened sooner and that Rory had gotten a chance for revenge as well…
October 17, 2011 @ 7:58 am
Why do a story involving a lost, stolen baby if you’re not going to deal with the fallout? What you said.